I had to imagine what it was like being an early member who were allowed to leave Mormonism only when dead; like members of the mob. You know, she might not have even seen the 2016 video I mentioned or read the FAQ on the website, (that's if if she's been out of the org a few years.) And it is really for the good of the sinning member because God desires that they repent. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector (Matt 18:17). "[115][116][117] Ill bet he cannot tell you why he has worked so hard to provide jobs and try to make America great. Congregation members are not informed whether a person is being shunned due to "disfellowshipping" or "disassociation", or on what grounds. WebTikTok video from Reverend Luna (@luna_de_lites): "Apostate Acosta just getting ready for a doctor appointment. An estimated 70,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are disfellowshipped every year roughly 1% of the church's total population, according to data published by the Watchtower. A reproved Witness cannot enroll as a pioneer or auxiliary pioneer for at least one year after reproof is given. They decided to give it to themselves. [127], On May 31, 2018, the Supreme Court of Canada issued a 90 decision saying courts have no jurisdiction to review membership questions of a religious organization. Young then began bragging he knew how to get everything he wanted. Jehovah's Witnesses employ various levels of congregational discipline as formal controls administered by congregation elders. It will hurt, but walk away now. Private disagreement not expressed publicly can lead to disfellowshipping. Individuals who [16] This action is intended to "shame" the person into following a particular course of action. A minimum of two witnesses is required to establish guilt, based on their understanding of Deuteronomy 17:6 and Matthew 18:16, unless the person confesses voluntarily. The committee may determine that there was no "serious sin", or that mitigating circumstances absolve the accused individual. I want to stop them. LDS control the federal gov and the states who could overthrow the federal government by informing the elected by the people senators they do not have their state power of attorney. WebAlthough the disfellowshipped member retains their covenants which came through the ordinances of the Gospel and still possesses the associated responsibilities, they DO I could not do my work and had to stay in at recess. If you don't see your brand new post it right away, please don't panic! Personal "shepherding visits" are intended to encourage members of the congregation, though may also include counsel and correction, then or on a subsequent visit. If counsel is not accepted, congregational responsibilities may be withheld or restricted, and elders may present a talk to the congregation about the type of behavior, without naming the individual. I met her in late 2020 through tinder. "Gileads 61st Graduation a Spiritual Treat", Jehovah's Witnesses and congregational discipline. [129] The fine was initially 96,000 before being reduced. If the church agrees, then heaven is agreed with the churchs decision (Matt 18:18-20). Why do people answer questions at meetings instead of asking them, if the session is called a study (Bible study, WT study)? [65] Witnesses are instructed that pledges of confidentiality may be broken to report what they believe to be transgressions. The last fifteen years I had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. They are to be disfellowshipped because Jesus is trying to have the Bride appear before the Groom as spotless, and sexual immorality especially, tarnishes the Bride of Christ Who is betrothed to Christ. There's a lot of bad about this, but if you want to stay with her, be careful about pushing too hard or bringing very much up to her. Does she usually cut communication with someone when there is a disagreement of opinion? I tried. Even talking to a disfellowshipped person once or twice will just get you a talking to at first. It says there that normal family affections and dealings continue when someone is disfellowshipped. I have since come to appreciate the rightness of a quotation I recently read, one made by a statesman, now dead, who said: "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the liedeliberate, contrived and dishonestbut the mythpersistent, persuasive and unrealistic." SL Co is a nonexistent government run by delusional con artists hallucinating law. Surely that stems from freemasonry, certainly Sis Lusk in a room full of men is a throwback to early days that still exist in the church. Counsel may be provided by a mature Witness in addition to self-discipline and family discipline. Looking at apostate information is considered unforgivable by many and she might not take it well. Their verdict was to disfellowship me because I believed in evolution. NAD has voted overwhelmingly for women's ordination, but the GC is opposed, and the votes from divisions in the developing world will be against. Had I been clear headed, I would have driven them out of my life long ago. [2][19] Consequently, he agreed to a request to resign from the Governing Body and headquarters staff. They want to live like kings on some island with stole taxes. We hear the Holy Ghost. This is a common practice, with around 1% of Jehovahs Witnesses being disfellowshipped every year. Holy shit.. for real? I fell in love with our constitution when I was 6 or 7 years old! You met her in late 2020 and are already married. I have done this but I stopped beating myself up for having done it. [59][60] Some have stated that this applies to all individuals who leave the organization. Once all the evidence is presented, the accused and all witnesses are dismissed and the committee reviews the evidence and the attitude of the accused.[76]. All JWs are like security keypads that may let you put in a wrong number once or twice (something that challenges their faith), but if you hit too many wrong buttons (what triggers her cognitive dissonance) she will mentally lock up and think that you are an agent if Satan. Roe switched Smiths constitution and law with our republic ratified constitution and law. Congress (wearing the Deep LDS State mantle) has catered to unpresident Obama and corporate president Nelson s shadow government cramming Smith and Youngs beast laws down our throats. I am afraid that the negative aspects of being a JW have taken place with my wife and my mom and our family. WebApostasy (289) 6.9 1 h 34 min 2018 13+ Devout Jehovah's Witnesses, Alex and Luisa and their mother are united in The Truth. Joseph goes over the wall to America. They are actively teaching against it. The Internet's most comprehensive resource for ex-Jehovah's Witnesses, a community for support, recovery and a few laughs along the way. They are afraid, yet ten ancestors scream to stop Smith/Youngs terror. Tell me, when you attended meetings with her was she shunned? WebAccording to the Bible, no Jehovah's Witness should be disfellowshipped for reading so-called "apostate" material. I have attended many zoom meeting with my wife as well. At least that has been my experience; 20 years an elder. He got the kingdom come taken from the Jews, Matt 21:43. I tried to stop the collection of this illegal, unlawful, and unconstitutional tax not all Utahans pay. We realize this might be a big step for you, and we are grateful for your courage. Thank you so much for sharing! Read this amazing letter and follow Brother Reed on his journey beginning as a faithful follower of the Jehovahs Witnesses. One of our human mods will be around shortly to release it into the the sub so that you can enjoy your new debut. I dont care if you use the word beast. This is all covered in detail in a letter the branch sent to all elder bodies in 1981 about apostasy Wouldn't that be yielding to blackmail? Thats the reality. Because you are new, your post has just been held in the mod queue temporarily by our automoderator. Jws dont allow blood transfusions, they shun former members, teach science-deniying materal, dont celebrate birthdays, discourage higher education etc etc. WebHow many Jehovah's Witnesses get disfellowshipped yearly? :), This is amazing news to me I worked along with Joe and his wife in the field in my younger years.. so great to hear a name that is familiar and who has woken up .. , Congrats! Had I been taught this as a child, I would have seen through Smith lies, propaganda, fraud and would not have hated my ancestors for obeying blindly. We now have 4G and 5G! Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. No, he shouldn't let his wife know about his research AT ALL. I was told to sell my home to pay the court fees. I wont ever become a member of any religion/cult. Daniels statutes feet are made of clay and iron. How? Its ok if you blame god. An estimated 70,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are disfellowshipped every year roughly 1% of the church's total population, according to data He says the Deep State controls the courts. If the action is known generally by the entire congregation or the wider community, an announcement is made at the midweek meeting that the person "has been reproved". Based on the age of your account and your karma, you seem to be new around here! Good luck with how you pursue this. 5. [17] He was called back to Brooklyn on May 20 for two days of questioning[18] by the Chairman's Committee. A variety of controls can be enforced, from reproof and restriction of congregational duties to excommunication, known as disfellowshipping, which includes shunning. It has mosaic law written into it. Act 1:6 the arrogant, haughty Jewish apostles cornered the resurrected Christ asking when they would get the kingdom returned to them. My biggest regret as a missionary was the pressure I placed on folk to pay their tithing as we worked with families living below the bread line. [89] Members are instructed to not even greet shunned individuals. My courage to fight LDS leaders comes from the ten ancestors. In March 1980, Franz and his wife took a leave of absence from the world headquarters for health reasons and moved to Alabama, where he took up laboring work on a property owned by a fellow Witness. Then Jared provided his own response to the charges. Is that reaction expected on your marriage as well? Leaders wanted it named Zion but God would not allow it. The discipline is reminiscent of the 1993 sanctions imposed on six high-profile Mormon intellectuals three men and three women for their views on feminism, church policies and history. On 6/30/2019 Mormon Bishop Jared Lusk attended a Mormon church disciplinary council in the Farmington, New Mexico stake on the charges of apostasy. [122], According to Raymond Franz, a letter dated September 1, 1980, from the Watch Tower Society to all circuit and district overseers advised that a member who "merely disagrees in thought with any of the Watch Tower Society's teachings is committing apostasy and is liable for disfellowshipping. Everyone and their dog wants to conquer America. [63] Members are instructed to report serious sins committed by other members. WebYou would be labeled an apostate. I am looking for people who want to protect themselves from the Mormon priesthood murderous government, (lost) [hidden] constitution and I say so revelation law that has governed our nation since 1871 when by deceit LDS volunteers must have gotten congress to create a corporate seat of government instead of a republic seat (Act of 1871), 4th war declared upon the USA federal government. My blood ran cold. The elders might privately warn individuals in the congregation if the unbaptized person is considered to pose "an unusual threat". WebShould apostates and sinners be disfellowshipped from the congregation? Youve both shown unconditional love through this whole time, a very evident virtue of not just the Lusks but others that have had to endure the same thing. I do not know where the ten came from. If the conduct is known only to the individual and the judicial committee, reproof is given privately. The federal courts granted me in forma pauperus, so did the Ut Ct of appeals and Ut sup court , but not Chon. In 1838 Smith lost his war with MO and was convicted of treason, supposed to be executed but escaped with extortion on the army. I won, yet I lost. The committee may then proceed with discipline such as is described for 'non-judicial' situations. Franz stated the request for his resignation and his subsequent disfellowshipping resulted from allegations of apostasy. Our earlier interview with the Lusks where we hear their Mormon Story may be found here: 1131-1136: Jared, Gwen, & Madison Lusk: A Former Mormon Bishop and His Family from New Mexico Face Excommunication for Apostasy. 1. They know the apostate member is lost to them, but the can then say to the world we didnt fire them, they resigned. He knows of the economic bubble about to send us is such a deep socialist recession. Why are you not seeing women reading the book/magazine of the session from stage, but women can read bible verses and give comments from their seat? But there is something changing. Nowhere in 17 does it state the elected by the people have authority to caste the states senate vote in violation of Art. [17], At conventions and assemblies, and about once each month at a local midweek meeting, a short talk regarding "local needs" is presented. What chapter and subheading is this? This congress that despised LDS and would not let them be seated for 7 years, created a corporate seat of gov for Young in UT, territory! Please help. Well put, but I also find it's a way to force you to walk on eggshells and let them set the agenda. Such situations usually involve a "judicial committee" of three or more elders. Thank you for sharing this heartbreaking experience. [9] In his personal memoir, Franz said that at the end of 1979 he reached a personal crossroad: I had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure. In 1984, Harrison Reed wrote a letter to the Dawn Bible Students explaining how he was disfellowshipped for going back to our Early Watchtower roots. I can't think of anything worse than a parent believing that its actually healthy and loving to cut their child off. I have not found any so far. DISFELLOWSHIPPING Christians can greet and speak with disfellowshipped ones. WebDisfellowshipping is intended to be the acknowledgement that an ordained minister had turned their back on the congregation and is no longer recognized as a minister of the congregation until they choose to return. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I guarantee you that you will end up waking away eventually. We need to protect ourselves from Smith/Youngs revelation beast government. We only need a power hose to bring down the LDS. This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 12:39. I cannot find an early Roe copy with the extortion and LDS references. I tried so hard. works that befit repentance ( Ac 26:20 ): w83 1/1 30-31; w74 469. Contribute to chinapedia/wikipedia.en development by creating an account on GitHub. Do you know the odds of winning an appeal? WebA disfellowshipped person is to be shunned by family and friends. This will help them understand your wife's situation and help/accept some aspects of what she believes, DO NOT BECOME A JW just to make her happy. They want to get out fast when the bubble pops. The Paul decision is an unfortunate expansion of a doctrine intended to protect individual rights. God will not mock him by helping anyone fight it today. 24 related questions found. Web139. In this Mormon Stories Podcast episode, we will hear from Jared and his family about their experiences with the disciplinary council, and discuss their theories as to why Jared was disfellowshipped (and not excommunicated), in spite of the fact that Jared openly defied the authority of his stake president. The first thing you need to do is educate yourself on the JWs and their beliefs and how they manipulate people. Web11 A disfellowshiped person has been spiritually cut off from the congregation; the former spiritual ties have been completely severed. Members who continue to speak to or associate with a disfellowshipped or disassociated person are said to be sharing in their "wicked works"[104] and may themselves be disfellowshipped. The appeal process is not so they hear you out and change any wrongs in the first process. WebThe disfellowshipping offense defined in the greatest detail in Pay Attention is sexual immorality or, as the manual labels the sin, Por.ne'a. Not necessarily the dictionary definition of the word apostate, which simply means a person who leaves their religionfor by that definition everyone who leaves any religion to become a JW is an apostatebut the JW conception of the APOSTATE, both as an individual and as a group is imaginary. WebDisfellowshipping and Shunning Failing to abide by Watchtower rules and doctrine can lead to being disfellowshipped. I am look for people that love freedom, justice, equal protection of the law, truth and all that is lovely and of good report. At the close of the disciplinary council, Jareds stake president twice asked Jared explicitly if he would agree to stop commenting on social media about his disbelief in fundamental Mormon truth claims. If so it's a very scary situation. [82][112][93] Individuals disfellowshipped for actions no longer considered serious sins are not automatically reinstated. WebFrom the Watchtower, April 15, 2015. The LDS have conquered branch 1, house, branch 2, senate, but not branch 3, president. I looked upMO testimonies on line. Thats interesting. [25] Franz, who continued to socialize with his employer, was summoned to a judicial hearing on November 25 and disfellowshipped for disobeying the edict. Judge Trease did too. At such time, they may use other local elders or elders from nearby congregations. I am active which means I can sit in sacrament and be thinking about Socrates, Plato, etc, go to the temple and be wondering about freemasonry, and grudgingly pay tithing when Id really like to find a genuine charity that supports widows and the fatherless in a developing country. [118] Reinstated individuals may be ineligible for many years from serving in positions of responsibility such as an elder, ministerial servant or pioneer. At times, some temporary policy may be announced that might be seen as disciplinary; for example, it may be that an additional attendant is assigned outside a Kingdom Hall to discourage children from running on the sidewalk.[19]. While still disfellowshipped, she has cut communication with your mother for expressing her opinion on the religion SHE IS NO LONGER PART OF and you have supported her on this. How did they find out that you believe in evolution? His sins included: During the disciplinary council Jareds Mormon Stake President read the charges of apostasy, including several of Jareds Facebook statements. Staff were also questioned about comments Franz had made that may have contradicted Watch Tower doctrine. They are to be disfellowshipped because Jesus is trying to have the Bride appear before the Groom as spotless, and Search on YouTube for Crusaders VICE, its a documentary about Jehovah witnesses made by VICE. He wrote a law: exterminate the gentles, nonmembers, to get their possessions and wealththis explains the medicaid scams and RF meters and cell phone towers and on and on occurring today. Some laugh and say this is a WWII myth but I do not agree. Nowhere in 17 does it say the states gave up their senate suffrage when they ratified 17. I don't know which information to trust! [91][92] Witness literature states that avoiding interaction with disfellowshipped former adherents helps to:[93], Shunning is also practiced when a member formally resigns membership or is deemed to indicate by their actionssuch as accepting a blood transfusion[96] or association with another religion[97] or military organization[98]that they do not wish to be known as a Witness. [28] They wrote regarding Franz' contribution to their expos on the Witnesses that his recommendations "undoubtedly strengthened the veracity of the text; we were impressed by his insistence on both fairness and frankness with respect to representing the view of the Watch Tower Society. Obama wanted a 3rd term but the constitution would not given it to him so he gave it to himself. [10], The body of elders may withhold its recommendation for a member to serve in a new position of responsibility, though still permitting existing responsibilities. Then, Jareds wife, Gwen, along with two of their daughters (Taylor and Madison) testified on Jareds behalf. What he should do instead is use what he learns from his research to ask his wife questions about the difficult issues, like why the WT Society tells JWs to shun then turns right around and claims to not break up families. This monopoly becomes more evident when individuals opt to differ from the official teachings of the Governing Body (GB), a group of men, who view themselves as Gods sole channel of communication Press J to jump to the feed. Why do they take up more meeting time than direct study of the Bible? [76] If the accused repeatedly fails to attend an arranged hearing, the committee will proceed but will not make a decision until evidence and testimony by witnesses are considered. I met her in late 2020 through tinder. WebAnswer (1 of 59): A short answer: they dont, but the difference between being disfellowshipped and being an apostate can be confusing for someone who is not a I'm so sorry for your situation, but this is gonna open a whole can of worms you can't even begin to imagine. [53] If a disfellowshipped person is living in the same home with other baptized family members, religious matters are not discussed, with the exception of minors, for whose training parents are still responsible. ". Writing publicly about his loss of faith on Facebook, and. Cultural Context Preceding the Book of Mormon, https://traffic.libsyn.com/mormonstories/MormonStories-1143-LuskDisfellowship.mp3. I had to fight. To JWs "apostate" information is the worst thing ever and is Satan directly trying to fool people. In 1972, suicidal Blackmun writes Roe v Wade, abortion, to dismantle the US constitution and force citizens into corporate slavery. I won SLC Corps parking ticket given in free parking. Search on YouTube for ABC NEWS Jehovah Wintesses. Apostates are a figment of the JW imagination. [53][113] No specific period of time is prescribed before this can happen; however, the Watch Tower Society suggests a period of "perhaps many months, a year, or longer. [102][103], Failure to adhere to the directions on shunning is itself considered a serious offense. Smith was a schizo. On paper, this points to you converting in the long run as you have not asked very important questions in key situations. WebApostate v. Jehovah's Witness - Part 1 - Alex. ISARA. [4] His father associated with the Bible Student movement (from which Jehovah's Witnesses developed) and was baptized in 1913. Churchill, Jew, is claimed to be prince Churchill of Africa. My wife is disfellowshipped JW who wishes to be reinstated. First off, your wife is considered pomi, which means physically out, mentally in. [citation needed] Such limitations are usually temporary. I will not fight the battle of which church or scripture is true. Their verdict was to disfellowship me because I believed in We are slow to anger. I will not mock him by fighting it today. Everything was recorded and I got the elders to admit to some pretty interesting information. The court stated: Shunning is a practice engaged in by Jehovah's Witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text. Call it the deep state. If you feel insulted being called an apostate who is mentally diseased, that is the least of your worries. [85], In all cases of reproof, restrictions are imposed,[52] typically prohibiting the individual from sharing in meeting parts, commenting during meetings, and giving group prayers. WebThis man had been disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, together with a certain Alexander, because they had experienced shipwreck concerning their faith. Paul I need to be more careful. Press J to jump to the feed. If any objective, unbiased and irrefutable evidence were discovered that there is a God who created all things, then you might consider believing again. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Yes, it most certainly is! If your post meets our posting requirements (see: posting guidelines). That's wonderful news, I had no idea he'd escaped. He clearly stated that he was not promoting his discovery to others. I agree with this. Please feel free to browse and contribute to the sub while we get that sorted for you! I recommend the BITE Model as a good reference to cult mind control. What a super, strong couple. The committee arranges a formal judicial hearing to determine the circumstances of the sin, whether the accused is repentant, and whether disciplinary actions will be taken.[68][69][70]. My suggestion is that when you talk to her about jw stuff, make it about how you feel about it, so it doesn't come across as an outright attack on her beliefs, which will make her defensive. [79] After the hearing is opened with a prayer, the accused is invited to make a personal statement. Paragraphs 3-5 state the following: Their propaganda is designed to weaken our faith, to cool our love for God, to sow doubts in our mindsyes, to make the spiritual paradise appear to be no paradise at allThen the only satisfaction, of a perverted kind, may come in beginning to beat ones If you want to learn mor The extortion and LDS references are gone. There's been some good responses to your request for advice. Nor do I believe that the Church would be so foolish as to think anyone would pay tithing in such a case. You will find a lot of helpful info and people here. Though not shunned, "marked" individuals are looked upon as "bad association" and social interaction outside of formal worship settings is generally curtailed. If any objective, unbiased and irrefutable evidence were discovered that there is a God who created all things, then you might consider believing again. Smith did for a week. You should be proud of it! WebOn September 1, 1980, the Governing Body distributed a letter to all Circuit and District overseers stating that apostates need not be promoting doctrines to be disfellowshipped.
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